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By Eve - 12/7/2011 11:14:34 AM
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Overpowered or Not?
With the release of Sheath Knight, many players have already assumed that Sheath Knight is insanely overpowered. That's partly true. The thing is,
Sheath Knight is a PvE class.
SHK has a wide array of combos that do incredible damage, WoTS makes him even more powerful! This makes him the perfect PvE class, not to mention skills like Maelstrom or Sword Fall are your best friend in cleaning mobs, but in PvP, these won't happen as much.Obviously SHK is powerful in PvP as well, but most of his skills are mainly meant for PvE. Hell, one of his skills hardly ever works in PvP, something which I will explain later on. His catching skills are alright, and he's extremely fun to play as, not to mention his combo damage rivals even WS's, but the fact is, and let it be known, Sheath Knight is overhyped.
SHK's combos do extreme damage, that's for sure, but his catching skills aren't too much of an improvement in PvP. I mean, he has Stoic and all that, which alone makes him pretty good, but LK and RS have a bit better time at catching than SHK. The only thing people see when they think of SHK catching is Harsh Chaser, which is very lag sensitive. Read my thoughts on it if you need more info. Anyways his Dash attack? It has short range and you'll just be leaving yourself vulnerable. XX~XX? It has Stoic but it should be used only in a combo, since the enemy can just jump behind the SHK and wait for the attack to end. Ofc, Sheath Knight's combo damage carries onto PvP, and with all those hits you'd be getting loads of MP obviously! But note that the opponent will gain some MP as well, sometimes they'll counter of it too. That hardly happens, but its something that I should point out. Overall, SHK is great for PvP, but he's nowhere near from being game-breaking or tremendously overpowered like everyone says.
Skill Review:
I will review each skill in terms of balance, usefulness, and my personal opinion of them.Here is the Balance Chart:1: Underpowered2: A little weak3: Balanced4: A little too powerful5: Overpowered
 Crescent CutDescription: Elsword slashes the enemy three times creating a crescent wave. Balance: 3 Crescent Cut isn't really that good tbh. The damage is alright, but the skill knocks down. The only time I'd see myself use this is for a finisher. Its flashy of course, but there are other skills that outshine it.
 Harsh ChaserDescription: Elsword throws his Cornwell into the enemy and pulls them back vulnerable for a combo. Balance: 2You may be expecting this to be one of the best catching skills in the game. In truth, it isn't. The skill does it's job fine, but the thing is, Harsh Chaser is EXTREMELY lag sensitive. Most of the time it hits, but it doesn't pull back, other times the enemy will be pulled the other way. Not only that, but you have to aim the skill itself right, AKA right in front of the enemy. This is harder than it sounds, not to mention with the amount of lag-sensitivity it'll hardly work. Your opponent literally has to stand in front of you and not move at all to get 100% successful pull. Bash on me all you want, but using this skill is pretty much a gamble in itself.  Final StrikeDescription: Elsword summons a black hole to suck in the enemy and does a cross slash, exploding the black hole and dealing heavy damage. Balance: 3This skill works almost identically to Eve's Generate Black Hole, meaning that it suffers some of the same disadvantages FS has. Why? When used on a diagonal platform, there's a certain chance that the opponent will get knocked down, pretty much avoiding the skill itself. Other than that, FS has pretty good damage for a 300MP, and is also a great way to catch runners or to make a finisher, I wouldn't say its overpowered though.  Maelstrom RageDescription: Elsword summons a storm of swords in a certain area, repeatedly damaging any enemy and leaving them vulnerable.Balance: 5MR is similar in terms of GA's Wind Wall, except its buffed, A LOT more buffed. Not only is it flashy and incredibly useful, but it actually sucks the opponent in as well. You might've known this already, but I'm just pointing it out. Not only that though, but MR does WAY MORE damage than WW as well AND is instantaneous as well as more range, allowing for surprise attacks against runners and campers. Add a combo in with SHK's powerhouse damage, and you'll be in big trouble.  Phantom SwordDescription: Elsword summons a ghost sword to aid in his attacks. Balance: 4This is pretty much QT, Elsword style. The ghost sword allows for bigger range and for slightly easier catching, but once your in a combo with PS, you practically get a free kill. Nothing much to say to this, but think of QT when thinking of Phantom Sword. |
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By ZeroEX - 12/7/2011 11:17:56 AM
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Elsword is awesome now. :x
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By Roxas100 - 12/7/2011 11:18:02 AM
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Reminds me of Sieghart + Elesis 4th job together...
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By wawforever - 12/7/2011 11:18:46 AM
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So awesome @.@
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By Eve - 12/7/2011 11:22:11 AM
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Uploading a Video atm
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By YrsofEXP - 12/7/2011 11:22:26 AM
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I will do some recordings as soon as I get the promotion done~
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By Ryuuzard - 12/7/2011 11:23:04 AM
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Quitting RS
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By wawforever - 12/7/2011 11:23:54 AM
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So much swag 
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By Eve - 12/7/2011 11:27:01 AM
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Added skill treeVideo is halfway uploaded And yes, I cashed the locked skills
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By Misaru - 12/7/2011 11:29:41 AM
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I see you lookin at this thread cuddles
Anyways I really wanna see some gameplay. I'd patch KR Els but it's late
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By Namae - 12/7/2011 11:30:43 AM
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Can you give us a quick rundown on skill descriptions at lvl 1? lvl 5 is usually just 80-90% stronger version anyway
Really curious about the passive too, since it maxed counter as pre req
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By wawforever - 12/7/2011 11:30:46 AM
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I was supposed to be in bed half an hour ago :I
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By Triburos - 12/7/2011 11:31:24 AM
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Incoming Cuddles stalk 
Yeah, I'm a bit too lazy to get to level 15, let alone 1st job today. I'll do a video later for sure, but it'll be most likely by the time everyone else has info up due to them being really determined and cashing, oh well
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By RedFire14 - 12/7/2011 11:31:54 AM
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VTKajin (12/7/2011)
Mind making a skill build for Esh Kay?o.o don't ask the person with a lvl 54 Shk o-o smart.
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By Eve - 12/7/2011 11:36:44 AM
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Namae (12/7/2011)
Can you give us a quick rundown on skill descriptions at lvl 1? lvl 5 is usually just 80-90% stronger version anywayReally curious about the passive too, since it maxed counter as pre reqRight now it's like 10:30 here and I have to go sleep. I'll just plan to upload the video and finish the rest tomorow.
Anyways one thing about Sheath Knight He's Overhyped.
He's powerful and all that, but already he reminds me too much of BM, not to mention his moves are a bit hard to get used to and require practice. I'll go more in-depth on this tomorow.
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By Eve - 12/7/2011 11:40:09 AM
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Video is now up~
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By Lenne - 12/7/2011 11:43:07 AM
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Eve (12/7/2011)
Skill Tree:
Plan to upload a video later. Crescent Cut - 100 MP Harsh Chaser - Locked Active Sword Fall - 200 MP Maelstrom Rage - Locked 200 MP Final Strike - 300 MP Phantom Sword - Locked 300 MP? i wonder if Phantom Sword will be something similar to Queen's Throne
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By Namae - 12/7/2011 11:45:20 AM
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Hm, yeah it looks ok, though no way to tell combo potential from that of course, no idea about knockdown values etc
Also you cant really say anything about the power of the class until you try all his skills... For anyone else playing, just the raw numbers would be nice, curious what kind of damage % we are looking at here Though from the teaser vid, I didnt really like what I saw, the skills looked "weak", in animation and stuff
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By ZeroEX - 12/7/2011 11:46:16 AM
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The combos I can do with those new attacks...
Overhyped? Well, who knows. So far, I'm liking the new job.
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By Wrath - 12/7/2011 11:48:34 AM
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He is quite fun.
Im quitting my LK thats for sure. Hes so simple to use to lol basically a LK with higher dps and less KD 35-42 hit combos with just kick and roll with no wind.
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By Kalas - 12/7/2011 12:32:00 PM
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Wow they got locked skills already...And wats that skill that requires max counter mastery? And did I see red stoic armor during a combo like chung status?
*Quits RS*
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By Kalas - 12/7/2011 1:04:30 PM
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lol...i tested it Sheath knight has his own version of the LK XXX loop. wow
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By NaviWolf - 12/7/2011 1:04:53 PM
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Comboing is so easy so far i can combo
> (keep pressed) zzzz xx~xxxx kick and do whatevs. Since the fourth z launches i can catch with the x...only tested in pve though.
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By Kalas - 12/7/2011 1:12:36 PM
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NaviWolf (12/7/2011)
Comboing is so easy so far i can combo
> (keep pressed) zzzz xx~xxxx kick and do whatevs. Since the fourth z launches i can catch with the x...only tested in pve though.
You can also catch after the 4th z with another Z if u go enough aspd. This guy is gonna be a combo king if people master him.
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By DoriKatana - 12/7/2011 1:18:09 PM
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After 3 hours of playing with himVerdict : ZOMGBANHIMATTOURNAMENTSOOP ZZZ >^ Z Is Awesome xx~x - Awesome ->ZZ - Awesome Crescent Cut - Awesome ( zzz>^ zzz>^ zzz>^ Crescent cut can take out bigger mobs ) Sword fall - OP AS FAK ON BIG BOSSES ( wally no 9 [ Armor ] can be 1 hit with it at level 28 with buffs and awakening ) Thats as far as i got ( only at level 30 ) ill probably PVP tonite til almost level 32. Tomorrow ill post how i feel about Final strike o .o ( Unless i should get Phantom sword @ eve )
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By BubblyBoar - 12/7/2011 1:23:06 PM
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All Elboys get Roll
And yes, Condom Knight has an X loop. =X
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By DaiGuren - 12/7/2011 1:25:54 PM
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All of my characters has only one mission now: to ready all the equips and money for him <3
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By KevinMatrix21 - 12/7/2011 2:26:50 PM
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Sheath Knight looks more like it should've been a 2nd job advancement. I mean his age appearance is more closer to that of Lord Knight and Rune Slayer.
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By Shirokann - 12/7/2011 2:36:51 PM
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KevinMatrix21 (12/7/2011)
Sheath Knight looks more like it should've been a 2nd job advancement. I mean his age appearance is more closer to that of Lord Knight and Rune Slayer.
Just wait until K0G releases his 2nd job. (inb4 30-year-old Elsword QQ)
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By YrsofEXP - 12/7/2011 2:40:38 PM
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It's too soon to say anything for sure, such as KD ratios per hit, multipliers, among others.
My main questions are, do those extra attacks still give the enemy mp? Some attacks give less mp than others (BM's XXZ~ for example), while the receiver still gets full mp, and they run roughly half the multipliers of a normal Z (on top of the original hit, of course). Those extra slashes from cornwell does not give elsword mp, but it does add to awakening charge and the gauge.
The damage from XXXX is roughly comparable to x1.5 of a normal Z hit, though not too sure on the KD values. Super armor is a double edged sword in this case, because you're not getting damage mitigation like stoic. Trying to approach with XXXX is just begging for an assault slash or BC lock.
Fitting roll into combos is another thing, it still deals damage to yourself, regardless of outcome. Not too sure on whether it causes KD or doesn't.
Though I do admit that harsh chaser is pretty nice, considering it's startup and travel time.
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By Eve - 12/7/2011 2:48:30 PM
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Let me restate my last statement.
At first I thought SHK was a little OP But after I unlocked some of his skills I change my mind SHK is pretty much BM on steroids.
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By Shirokann - 12/7/2011 2:54:43 PM
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Now that I think about it, ShK's sword reminds me of Garland's multiform greatsword from Dissidia (it could also split into two swords, had an extendable blade, etc).
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By Asian - 12/7/2011 2:59:26 PM
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Lol omg yea ShK is super OP just saw his locked skills and all I can say is ....sweet jeebus.
They need to either nerf him or buff the other characters because seriously this just puts IP to shame.
xx~x on the fifth spin loop cast roll / kick (repeat) and your cherry.
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By hikariinu124 - 12/7/2011 3:36:22 PM
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the general consensus of the topic is correct here are some interesting tidbits ive found, with the help of a guildie
Sword Fall can push the opponent, if the 1st sword hits, they will all hit, however if the last sword connects, it will KD. You can prevent KD from Sword Fall by using Roll right after the skill is launched, its sort of like Sonic blade in the sense that you can move very shortly after using it. the Passive that requires Counter mastery is an absolute beast, it basically turns your Counter into an attack, and if you are hit during the swing you counter for additional damage. things that would be great if someone would test We couldnt figure out if the second sword counts as magic damage or physical. Can someone tell us if the "grapple" active (forget the name) can pull off of sword fall? a translation of his 2nd passive would be fantastic. all in all, This is how elsword should have been from the start, not nessessarily dual wielding. The roll skill alone makes him nearly 3x more evasive and is extremely useful in catching, my friend brought his level 39 IP to free channel, and i was able to nearly 3/4 his health away in 1 combo. I was able to shut down just about every approach just by using roll. I personaly will not delete my LK, since I really want to try out LK + Roll. but I will continue to play this character on KR server to test out all of its capabilities.
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By Eboniks - 12/7/2011 8:42:52 PM
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Looks like they just combined the magic of RS with the swordness of LK for skills, then gave him the looks of Savior and the combo style of Prime Knight.
Im amused.
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By NaviWolf - 12/7/2011 11:06:16 PM
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I'm so making SoBored a ShK with the cash shop item. ._. Bye bye LK.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 5:53:01 AM
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added input on skills
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 6:29:44 AM
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added descripshun
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 6:44:16 AM
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Masakan (12/8/2011)
Sheath knight is supposedly the PVE but that was originally RS's main thing. Also from what your saying he fairs better in pvp than RS as well.
So what I'm asking is idk about LK but does it look like sheath knight outclasses RS at this point?SHK does not outclass RS considering that they're two different classes with two different playstyles. SHK is more head-on and relies on combos more, while RS is crowd control and range. That's like saying GA/EM outclasses every other character in PvE just because they're the best in that area.
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By Nekuraba - 12/8/2011 6:45:57 AM
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I love dat hair
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 6:56:11 AM
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Masakan (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
Masakan (12/8/2011)
Sheath knight is supposedly the PVE but that was originally RS's main thing. Also from what your saying he fairs better in pvp than RS as well.
So what I'm asking is idk about LK but does it look like sheath knight outclasses RS at this point?SHK does not outclass RS considering that they're two different classes with two different playstyles. SHK is more head-on and relies on combos more, while RS is crowd control and range. That's like saying GA/EM outclasses every other character in PvE just because they're the best in that area. but......isn't that what outclassing MEANS!? Also for a character that supposedly "CC and range" his range is pretty short. Outclassing means upgrading or being superior to another class in every way possible.
SHK's main disadvantage is his range and that he has a hard time adjusting to different situations, yet he deals more damage and has more combo capabilities than RS. RS on the other hand has range with his runes, and since most of his attacks aren't as focused for comboing, he has greater flexibility and can adjust to more situations easily.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 7:10:40 AM
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Masakan (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
Masakan (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
Masakan (12/8/2011)
Sheath knight is supposedly the PVE but that was originally RS's main thing. Also from what your saying he fairs better in pvp than RS as well. So what I'm asking is idk about LK but does it look like sheath knight outclasses RS at this point?SHK does not outclass RS considering that they're two different classes with two different playstyles. SHK is more head-on and relies on combos more, while RS is crowd control and range. That's like saying GA/EM outclasses every other character in PvE just because they're the best in that area. but......isn't that what outclassing MEANS!? Also for a character that supposedly "CC and range" his range is pretty short. Outclassing means upgrading or being superior to another class in every way possible.SHK's main disadvantage is his range and that he has a hard time adjusting to different situations, yet he deals more damage and has more combo capabilities than RS.RS on the other hand has range with his runes, and since most of his attacks aren't as focused for comboing, he has greater flexibility and can adjust to more situations easily. So basically sheath knight is an upgraded LK or LK par deux as I like to say. Ugh... Masakan.... =_= Your seriously getting on my nerves now...
LK, like RS, is more flexible. LK is focused on comboing obviously, and many of his skills such as Rolling Smash or Sonic Wave, again, allow for greater flexibility and evasion. He isn't as strict in movement unlike SHK with hardly any Actives that allow for greater freedom. Let me put it in simply: Lord Knight - Flexible - Can adapt to more situations - More Variety with Actives and Skills - Better catching abilities Sheath Knight - Combos do more damage - A bit more range with certain skills - Gains more MP
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By Aliza - 12/8/2011 7:24:45 AM
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I watched some videos on Sheath Knight, and something bugged me...
Apparently Sheath Knight can randomly take off some MP from his victims (but doesn't gain it) during his attacks. Can someone confirm this?
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By Asian - 12/8/2011 7:31:16 AM
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Eve (12/8/2011)
LK, like RS, is more flexible. LK is focused on comboing obviously, and many of his skills such as Rolling Smash or Sonic Wave, again, allow for greater flexibility and evasion. He isn't as strict in movement unlike SHK with hardly any Actives that allow for greater freedom. Let me put it in simply: Lord Knight - Flexible - Can adapt to more situations - More Variety with Actives and Skills - Better catching abilities Sheath Knight - Combos do more damage - A bit more range with certain skills - Gains more MP I agree with some but ShK has just about the same if not greater catching abilities than LK or at least more options that are useful. Hell I'd say just spamming xx~x, than if you miss use Roll to get an invince frame escape and it only costs you 3mp and 1%hp, is a pretty good way to start a combo lol. Also ShK is just about as flexible as LK and RS.
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By Gizmosis350k - 12/8/2011 7:32:38 AM
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The persons who think they can top the list with this "new anomaly" are sadly mistaken, lol.
Btw he looks like OrichiKabuto lol
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By wawforever - 12/8/2011 7:38:07 AM
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So, how high is Shk on the tier lists?
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 7:39:06 AM
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He must mean LK's amazing catching skill Rolling Smash.
If I had to put ShK on the tier list it would be just above both eves.
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By Gizmosis350k - 12/8/2011 7:40:12 AM
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Masakan (12/8/2011)
Asian (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
LK, like RS, is more flexible. LK is focused on comboing obviously, and many of his skills such as Rolling Smash or Sonic Wave, again, allow for greater flexibility and evasion. He isn't as strict in movement unlike SHK with hardly any Actives that allow for greater freedom. Let me put it in simply: Lord Knight - Flexible - Can adapt to more situations - More Variety with Actives and Skills - Better catching abilities - Made Elsword what he is today Sheath Knight - Combos do more damage - A bit more range with certain skills - Gains more MP - Is only good because he is new and most people haven't even used him yet I agree with some but ShK has just about the same if not greater catching abilities than LK or at least more options that are useful. Hell I'd say just spamming xx~x, than if you miss use Roll to get an invince frame escape and it only costs you 3mp and 1%hp, is a pretty good way to start a combo and at the same time look stupid lol. Also ShK is just about as flexible as LK and RS. Yeah see I think so too. Idk why eve got angry at me. Sheath knight is in no way limited and how is sheath knight limited and is somehow not even worse catching than LK when every elsword worth their salt never uses stoic anyway? I just, I failed to see how sheath knight is more limited than LK because i am obviously braindead that doesn't even seem possible. |
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By RedFire14 - 12/8/2011 7:40:20 AM
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Gizmosis350k (12/8/2011)
The persons who think they can top the list with this "new anomaly" are sadly mistaken, lol.
Btw he looks like OrichiKabuto lol
what?
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By Gizmosis350k - 12/8/2011 7:43:16 AM
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RedFire14 (12/8/2011)
Gizmosis350k (12/8/2011)
The persons who think they can top the list with this "new anomaly" are sadly mistaken, lol.
Btw he looks like OrichiKabuto lol
iloveyou
dude...
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By Asian - 12/8/2011 7:44:20 AM
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Masakan (12/8/2011)
Asian (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
LK, like RS, is more flexible. LK is focused on comboing obviously, and many of his skills such as Rolling Smash or Sonic Wave, again, allow for greater flexibility and evasion. He isn't as strict in movement unlike SHK with hardly any Actives that allow for greater freedom. Let me put it in simply: Lord Knight - Flexible - Can adapt to more situations - More Variety with Actives and Skills - Better catching abilities Sheath Knight - Combos do more damage - A bit more range with certain skills - Gains more MP I agree with some but ShK has just about the same if not greater catching abilities than LK or at least more options that are useful. Hell I'd say just spamming xx~x, than if you miss use Roll to get an invince frame escape and it only costs you 3mp and 1%hp, is a pretty good way to start a combo lol. Also ShK is just about as flexible as LK and RS. Yeah see I think so too. Idk why eve got angry at me. Sheath knight is in no way limited and how is sheath knight limited and has worse catching than LK when every elsword worth their salt uses stoic anyway? I just, I fail to see how sheath knight is more limited than LK that doesn't even seem possible. If your talking about arma blade it needs 300 mp to use or 210 with vitality so that's kind of a moot point. If your talking about sonic blade, I didn't think we were putting 2nd jobs into the equation considering sheath doesn't even have his yet, again a moot point. The only flexibility Elsword has is his stoic, actives, and WoTS. ShK one ups LK and RS in that department just by having heavy stance like chung during his combos. Well for now ShK has less catches than LK actually but thats only counting LKs 100mp skills. Though ShK has less catches than LK his are more reliable I guess you can say or more MP friendly. Also ShK is going to be getting a new 100mp skill and an active for 2nd job so if they are any good they will put him on top of LK for variety of catches, because honestly he already has better catching its just that he needs more variety.
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By Gizmosis350k - 12/8/2011 7:46:02 AM
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^ or they could just be two dumb actives
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By Asian - 12/8/2011 7:46:59 AM
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Gizmosis350k (12/8/2011)
^ or they could just be two dumb actives
lol yea they could do that, just troll everyone by giving him the crappiest 2nd job ever.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 7:49:32 AM
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@Asian
I dunno, I have to disagree with you with about SHK's flexibility. A lot of his skills involve comboing, that's about it. There aren't any zoning skills for SHK, meaning that he'll have some difficulty fighting ranged opponents unlike LK with Rolling Smash, and unlike many other characters, SHK can't pass through enemies. Roll is a good option, but using it on platforms or when your near one will do more bad than good :/ I mean, outside of comboing SHK doesn't have that many options. You have to admit that lol. @Masakan The reason I got irritated at you was because you constantly look down on LK and RS and act as if they are completely outclassed despite the reasons I gave you.
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By DJP - 12/8/2011 7:49:59 AM
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O.o
is this gonna be out on NA elsword?
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 7:50:08 AM
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Hails (12/8/2011)
He must mean LK's amazing catching skill Rolling Smash.I never said Rolling Smash is a catching skill here. |
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By RedFire14 - 12/8/2011 7:50:30 AM
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Masakan (12/8/2011)
Gizmosis350k (12/8/2011)
^ or they could just be two dumb actives
What is up with genova today? ikd but if he keeps spamming he getting reported.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 7:52:57 AM
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Gizmosis350k (12/8/2011)
when every elsword worth their salt never uses stoic anyway?I lol'd
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 7:56:50 AM
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Eve (12/8/2011)
Hails (12/8/2011)
He must mean LK's amazing catching skill Rolling Smash.I never said Rolling Smash is a catching skill here. Lololol. LK's "Catches" consist of ^Z >>^Z >>^X >>^XX >>^XXX >>ZZZ LolRollingSmashSonic Blade Air Slash Iron Body Thats pretty much it. Lets see what ShK has ^Z >>^Z >>^X >>ZZ GET OVER HERE!! Iron Body LolXX~XSpam
Stuff in Italics are stupid and should never be used ever (yet people still do it). The only thing LK has over ShK atm is Sonic Blade, Air Slash, and his >>^XX(X). ShK Doesn't have a 2nd job yet, most likely he'll get a 100MP he can combo off of. So you can just ignore Sonic Blade. That means you have >>^XX(X) and Air Slash. Doing a Scorpion owns both of those, period.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 7:58:28 AM
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Masakan (12/8/2011)
Eve when DOESN'T elsword have difficulty fighting ranged characters huh?
As for me looking down on LK and RS, I'm just being realistic. Besides as you can clearly see I'm not the only one who thinks this.RS - Runes, StoicLK - Stoic, Rolling Smash for Zoning, Sandstorm And going by that logic, you should be looking down on SHK as well then lol. Also I don't really see anything else who thinks that here.
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By Asian - 12/8/2011 7:59:42 AM
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Eve (12/8/2011)
@Asian I dunno, I have to disagree with you with about SHK's flexibility. A lot of his skills involve comboing, that's about it. There aren't any zoning skills for SHK, meaning that he'll have some difficulty fighting ranged opponents unlike LK with Rolling Smash, and unlike many other characters, SHK can't pass through enemies. Roll is a good option, but using it on platforms or when your near one will do more bad than good :/ I mean, outside of comboing SHK doesn't have that many options. You have to admit that lol. Yea ShK is lacking in variety like I said so I agree with you on that. Though LK still has difficulty fighting long range even with rolling smash because it gets easily predictable after awhile so they are on the same boat in fighting ranged characters. So far LK has more variety though with his sonic blade and air slash though it costs 100mp and we all know how limited LK is with his MP with ranged characters though with other melee he should be fine.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:01:47 AM
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He must mean LK's amazing catching skill Rolling Smash.I never said Rolling Smash is a catching skill here. Lololol. LK's "Catches" consist of ^Z >>^Z >>^X >>^XX >>^XXX >>ZZZ LolRollingSmashSonic Blade Air Slash Iron Body Thats pretty much it. Lets see what ShK has ^Z >>^Z >>^X >>ZZ GET OVER HERE!! Iron Body LolXX~XSpam
Stuff in Italics are stupid and should never be used ever (yet people still do it). The only thing LK has over ShK atm is Sonic Blade, Air Slash, and his >>^XX(X). ShK Doesn't have a 2nd job yet, most likely he'll get a 100MP he can combo off of. So you can just ignore Sonic Blade. That means you have >>^XX(X) and Air Slash. Doing a Scorpion owns both of those, period. SHK's active is lag-sensitive lol
I'd rather not risk 30MP on something that won't even work, and considering I just explained that in the OP you still need to work on your logic moar so your point is moot |
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:02:00 AM
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Eve when DOESN'T elsword have difficulty fighting ranged characters huh?
As for me looking down on LK and RS, I'm just being realistic. Besides as you can clearly see I'm not the only one who thinks this.RS - Runes, Stoic LK - Stoic, Rolling Smash for Zoning, Sandstorm And going by that logic, you should be looking down on SHK as well then lol. Also I don't really see anything else who thinks that here. Doing an >>^XZ is the absolute worst thing you can do against a class that can catch you from a range.
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:03:05 AM
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He must mean LK's amazing catching skill Rolling Smash.I never said Rolling Smash is a catching skill here. Lololol. LK's "Catches" consist of ^Z >>^Z >>^X >>^XX >>^XXX >>ZZZ LolRollingSmashSonic Blade Air Slash Iron Body Thats pretty much it. Lets see what ShK has ^Z >>^Z >>^X >>ZZ GET OVER HERE!! Iron Body LolXX~XSpam
Stuff in Italics are stupid and should never be used ever (yet people still do it). The only thing LK has over ShK atm is Sonic Blade, Air Slash, and his >>^XX(X). ShK Doesn't have a 2nd job yet, most likely he'll get a 100MP he can combo off of. So you can just ignore Sonic Blade. That means you have >>^XX(X) and Air Slash. Doing a Scorpion owns both of those, period. SHK's active is lag-sensitive lol
I'd rather not risk 30MP on something that won't even work, and considering I just explained that in the OP you still need to work on your logic moar so your point is moot
Durrhurrhurr
Durr Hurrr Its not lag sensitive. Your just bad at aiming.
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By KaynetheSlayer - 12/8/2011 9:53:30 AM
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Because of this review I think I got my Pure PVE build set.
Level 1: Mega Slash 1, Roll 1
Level 2: Roll 2, Roll 3
Level 3: Basic Physical Defense Training 1, Fatal Fury 1
Level 4: Fatal Fury 2, Fatal Fury 3
Level 5: Fatal Fury 4, Fatal Fury 5
Level 6: Flame Geyser 1, Flame Geyser 2
Level 7: Flame Geyser 3, Flame Geyser 4
Level 8: Flame Geyser 5, Basic Physical Defense Training 2
Level 9: Basic Physical Defense Training 3, Basic Physical Defense Training 4
Level 10: Basic Physical Defense Training 5, Basic Strength Training 1
Level 11: Assault Slash 1, Assault Slash 2
Level 12: Assault Slash 3, Assault Slash 4
Level 13: Assault Slash 5, Power Accelerator 1
Level 14: Power Accelerator 2, Power Accelerator 3
Level 15: Basic Strength Training 2, Basic Strength Training 3
Level 16: Triple Geyser 1, Triple Geyser 2
Level 17:Triple Geyser 3, Triple Geyser 4,
Level 18: Triple Geyser 5, Basic Strength Training 4
Level 19: Basic Strength Training 1, Basic Magic Defense Training 1
Level 20: Basic Magic Defense Training 2, Basic Magic Defense Training 3
Level 21: Basic Magic Defense Training 4, Basic Magic Defense Training 5
Level 22: Basic Magic Training 1, Basic Magic Training 2
Level 23: Basic Magic Training 3, Intermediate Strength Training 1
Level 24: Intermediate Strength Training 2, Intermediate Strength Training 3
Level 25: Intermediate Strength Training 4, Intermediate Strength Training 5
Level 26: Basic Magic Training 4, Basic Magic Training 5
Level 27: Crescent Cut 1, Crescent Cut 2
Level 28: Crescent Cut 3, Crescent Cut 4
Level 29: Crescent Cut 5, Magic/Shield Accelerator 1
Level 30: Magic/Shield Accelerator 2, Magic/Shield Accelerator 3
Level 31: Maelstrom Rage 1, Maelstrom Rage 2
Level 32: Maelstrom Rage 3, Maelstrom Rage 4
Level 33: Maelstrom Rage 5, Phantom Sword 1
Level 34: Phantom Sword 2, Phantom Sword 3
Level 35: Phantom Sword 4, Phantom Sword 5
Level 36: Cruel Slayer 1, Cruel Slayer 2
Level 37: Cruel Slayer 3, Cruel Slayer 4
Level 38: Cruel Slayer 5, Free to use
Level 39 onward: Free to use
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By KaynetheSlayer - 12/8/2011 10:13:56 AM
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Because of this review I think I got my Pure PVE build set.
Level 1: Mega Slash 1, Roll 1
Level 2: Roll 2, Roll 3
Level 3: Basic Physical Defense Training 1, Fatal Fury 1
Level 4: Fatal Fury 2, Fatal Fury 3
Level 5: Fatal Fury 4, Fatal Fury 5
Level 6: Flame Geyser 1, Flame Geyser 2
Level 7: Flame Geyser 3, Flame Geyser 4
Level 8: Flame Geyser 5, Basic Physical Defense Training 2
Level 9: Basic Physical Defense Training 3, Basic Physical Defense Training 4
Level 10: Basic Physical Defense Training 5, Basic Strength Training 1
Level 11: Assault Slash 1, Assault Slash 2
Level 12: Assault Slash 3, Assault Slash 4
Level 13: Assault Slash 5, Power Accelerator 1
Level 14: Power Accelerator 2, Power Accelerator 3
Level 15: Basic Strength Training 2, Basic Strength Training 3
Level 16: Triple Geyser 1, Triple Geyser 2
Level 17:Triple Geyser 3, Triple Geyser 4,
Level 18: Triple Geyser 5, Basic Strength Training 4
Level 19: Basic Strength Training 1, Basic Magic Defense Training 1
Level 20: Basic Magic Defense Training 2, Basic Magic Defense Training 3
Level 21: Basic Magic Defense Training 4, Basic Magic Defense Training 5
Level 22: Basic Magic Training 1, Basic Magic Training 2
Level 23: Basic Magic Training 3, Intermediate Strength Training 1
Level 24: Intermediate Strength Training 2, Intermediate Strength Training 3
Level 25: Intermediate Strength Training 4, Intermediate Strength Training 5
Level 26: Basic Magic Training 4, Basic Magic Training 5
Level 27: Crescent Cut 1, Crescent Cut 2
Level 28: Crescent Cut 3, Sagacious Counterattack 1
Level 29: Sagacious Counterattack 2, Sagacious Counterattack 3
Level 30: Sagacious Counterattack 4, Sagacious Counterattack 5
Level 31: Maelstrom Rage 1, Maelstrom Rage 2
Level 32: Maelstrom Rage 3, Maelstrom Rage 4
Level 33: Maelstrom Rage 5, Phantom Sword 1
Level 34: Phantom Sword 2, Phantom Sword 3
Level 35: Phantom Sword 4, Phantom Sword 5
Level 36: Cruel Slayer 1, Cruel Slayer 2
Level 37: Cruel Slayer 3, Cruel Slayer 4
Level 38: Cruel Slayer 5, Crescent Cut 4
Level 39: Crescent Cut 5, Free to use
Level 40 onward: Free to usejust so you review it, how will you get/use this if you dont get counter attack and counter mastery? Didn't notice the line between Counter Mastery and it. I don't think it has a PVE use so I guess I'll just remove it and put the points elsewhere. Thanks for pointing it out. Kinda sucks now that I know this since the change means I need 3 more SP to use to get to Maelstrom Rage. Might throw it on Magic Accelerator(Or Shield).
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:04:03 AM
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@Asian I dunno, I have to disagree with you with about SHK's flexibility. A lot of his skills involve comboing, that's about it. There aren't any zoning skills for SHK, meaning that he'll have some difficulty fighting ranged opponents unlike LK with Rolling Smash, and unlike many other characters, SHK can't pass through enemies. Roll is a good option, but using it on platforms or when your near one will do more bad than good :/ I mean, outside of comboing SHK doesn't have that many options. You have to admit that lol. Yea ShK is lacking in variety like I said so I agree with you on that. Though LK still has difficulty fighting long range even with rolling smash because it gets easily predictable after awhile so they are on the same boat in fighting ranged characters. So far LK has more variety though with his sonic blade and air slash though it costs 100mp and we all know how limited LK is with his MP with ranged characters though with other melee he should be fine. Hmm, I guess I'll agree with you on that.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:06:04 AM
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Eve when DOESN'T elsword have difficulty fighting ranged characters huh?
As for me looking down on LK and RS, I'm just being realistic. Besides as you can clearly see I'm not the only one who thinks this.RS - Runes, Stoic LK - Stoic, Rolling Smash for Zoning, SandstormAnd going by that logic, you should be looking down on SHK as well then lol. Also I don't really see anything else who thinks that here. Hails is already on your case about rolling smash, and who the hell is dumb enough to use 200 mp to catch someone? It was never purely for catching, not to mention Sandstorm's damage is pretty hax as well lol. Also Hails is just being Hails, I never said Rolling Smash is for catching in the thread, and yet he's going crazy about it for no reason lul.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:07:18 AM
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Durr Hurrr Its not lag sensitive. Your just bad at aiming.I lol'd at this
You pretty much showed me you have hardly any experience on SHK LOL
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:09:33 AM
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Eve when DOESN'T elsword have difficulty fighting ranged characters huh?
As for me looking down on LK and RS, I'm just being realistic. Besides as you can clearly see I'm not the only one who thinks this.RS - Runes, Stoic LK - Stoic, Rolling Smash for Zoning, SandstormAnd going by that logic, you should be looking down on SHK as well then lol. Also I don't really see anything else who thinks that here. Hails is already on your case about rolling smash, and who the hell is dumb enough to use 200 mp to catch someone? It was never purely for catching, not to mention Sandstorm's damage is pretty hax as well lol. Also Hails is just being Hails, I never said Rolling Smash is for catching in the thread, and yet he's going crazy about it for no reason lul. I explained in my previous post. You said "LK has better catches". I told why he doesn't. Also your willing to use rolling smash for zoning but you think doing a Scorpion is a waste of mp?
HUURRRR DURRRP
Rolling Smash doesn't lag and actually works Your point is now moot once again, HurrHurrHails.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:13:53 AM
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To bad you can see it coming from a mile away. Chances are its not gunna hit someone unless theyre just sitting still.AKA Aisha's who charge MP and camp all day, proving my point for zoning.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:16:54 AM
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Eve just wat are u talking about? I would rather waste 30mp using harsh chaser in lag then use LK iron body 50mp to catch in lag >.> Really, almost every catching skill LK,RS,SHK sux in lag, so ur argument fails.Do you even know how lag-sensitive Harsh Chaser is?
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:19:08 AM
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I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:20:35 AM
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This argument was completely pointless, Eve. One more derailing on this thread. Also: Aliza (12/8/2011)
I find it funny that my post on the 6th* page was completely ignored. Questioning how Sheath Knights are randomly tearing 30 MP away from their opponents.
Also, what does Sheath Knight's Cruel Slayer passive do? No mention about it, and the Elwiki's page is blank on this skill. Can you link me to where you saw this? Lol.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:22:05 AM
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To bad you can see it coming from a mile away. Chances are its not gunna hit someone unless theyre just sitting still.AKA Aisha's who charge MP and camp all day, proving my point for zoning. Not to mention, again, Rolling Smash actually works, Scorpion hardly ever does its job properly. Do you really believe Rolling Smash is that good? Do you really think arguing against a guy that has made 2 Lord Knights and pvped with both of them ALOT doesn't know ♥♥♥ hes talking about?
Hell you don't even have a LK... OH WAIT JP TRAIL BECAUSE THAT MEANS SOMETHING. HUUR DUURP Nope I'm just comparing Rolling Smash to Harsh Chaser Here, let me question you this: Do you really believe Harsh Chaser is that good? Hurrdurrrr
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:23:23 AM
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I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.INB4hefailswithitonpurpose lol just kidding I'm still making a Sheath Knight simply because of how much better he puts WAI OF THA SWORD to use. SHK is fun as hell to play as in PvE though <3333
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:25:18 AM
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To bad you can see it coming from a mile away. Chances are its not gunna hit someone unless theyre just sitting still.AKA Aisha's who charge MP and camp all day, proving my point for zoning. Not to mention, again, Rolling Smash actually works, Scorpion hardly ever does its job properly. Do you really believe Rolling Smash is that good? Do you really think arguing against a guy that has made 2 Lord Knights and pvped with both of them ALOT doesn't know ♥♥♥ hes talking about?
Hell you don't even have a LK... OH WAIT JP TRAIL BECAUSE THAT MEANS SOMETHING. HUUR DUURP Nope I'm just comparing Rolling Smash to Harsh Chaser Here, let me question you this: Do you really believe Harsh Chaser is that good? Hurrdurrrr Your asking this to the guy who PvPed with ShK all night.
Yes I do.
Don't forgot you needed to unlock HC. Which would be pretty much impossible without cash.
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 8:35:58 AM
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Okay I got my answer on Cruel Slayer, from the ElswordHQ's Chatango. Anyway, at level 5, 5% chance of each hit -30 MP. Yeah...MR + CS = gg if you're unlucky. Forget mana breaking. Now all that ShK has to do is catch... Bernkastel (12/8/2011)
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I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.INB4hefailswithitonpurpose lol just kidding I'm still making a Sheath Knight simply because of how much better he puts WAI OF THA SWORD to use. SHK is fun as hell to play as in PvE though <3333 You know how annoying harsh chaser would be in teams? LOL I GOT SOMEONE IN A COMBOR! -gets scorpianed from miles away- FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I really hope he doesn't give alot of mp to his enemys as he's comboing them. Like if they're at 0mp and they still mana break before you get a full combo on them. Cruel Slayer. Add some luck in there. looooooooooooool
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By Eve - 12/8/2011 9:15:02 AM
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By BubblyBoar - 12/8/2011 9:11:35 AM
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We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:23:14 AM
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To bad you can see it coming from a mile away. Chances are its not gunna hit someone unless theyre just sitting still.AKA Aisha's who charge MP and camp all day, proving my point for zoning. Not to mention, again, Rolling Smash actually works, Scorpion hardly ever does its job properly. Do you really believe Rolling Smash is that good? Do you really think arguing against a guy that has made 2 Lord Knights and pvped with both of them ALOT doesn't know ♥♥♥ hes talking about?
Hell you don't even have a LK... OH WAIT JP TRAIL BECAUSE THAT MEANS SOMETHING. HUUR DUURP Nope I'm just comparing Rolling Smash to Harsh Chaser Here, let me question you this: Do you really believe Harsh Chaser is that good? Hurrdurrrr Your asking this to the guy who PvPed with ShK all night.
Yes I do.
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 11:27:05 AM
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They'll give us all 6 sub classes at once.
>=D
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:36:46 AM
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To bad you can see it coming from a mile away. Chances are its not gunna hit someone unless theyre just sitting still.AKA Aisha's who charge MP and camp all day, proving my point for zoning. Not to mention, again, Rolling Smash actually works, Scorpion hardly ever does its job properly. Do you really believe Rolling Smash is that good? Do you really think arguing against a guy that has made 2 Lord Knights and pvped with both of them ALOT doesn't know ♥♥♥ hes talking about?
Hell you don't even have a LK... OH WAIT JP TRAIL BECAUSE THAT MEANS SOMETHING. HUUR DUURP Nope I'm just comparing Rolling Smash to Harsh Chaser Here, let me question you this: Do you really believe Harsh Chaser is that good? Hurrdurrrr Your asking this to the guy who PvPed with ShK all night.
Yes I do.
Don't forgot you needed to unlock HC. Which would be pretty much impossible without cash. Stamina Pots.
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:21:56 AM
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This argument was completely pointless, Eve. One more derailing on this thread. Also: Aliza (12/8/2011)
I find it funny that my post on the 6th* page was completely ignored. Questioning how Sheath Knights are randomly tearing 30 MP away from their opponents.
Also, what does Sheath Knight's Cruel Slayer passive do? No mention about it, and the Elwiki's page is blank on this skill. Can you link me to where you saw this? Lol. I think he was just seeing Dark Enchants. Unless thats what Cruel Slayer does...
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:19:35 AM
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To bad you can see it coming from a mile away. Chances are its not gunna hit someone unless theyre just sitting still.AKA Aisha's who charge MP and camp all day, proving my point for zoning. Not to mention, again, Rolling Smash actually works, Scorpion hardly ever does its job properly. Do you really believe Rolling Smash is that good? Do you really think arguing against a guy that has made 2 Lord Knights and pvped with both of them ALOT doesn't know ♥♥♥ hes talking about?
Hell you don't even have a LK... OH WAIT JP TRAIL BECAUSE THAT MEANS SOMETHING. HUUR DUURP
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:10:55 AM
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Eve when DOESN'T elsword have difficulty fighting ranged characters huh?
As for me looking down on LK and RS, I'm just being realistic. Besides as you can clearly see I'm not the only one who thinks this.RS - Runes, Stoic LK - Stoic, Rolling Smash for Zoning, SandstormAnd going by that logic, you should be looking down on SHK as well then lol. Also I don't really see anything else who thinks that here. Hails is already on your case about rolling smash, and who the hell is dumb enough to use 200 mp to catch someone? It was never purely for catching, not to mention Sandstorm's damage is pretty hax as well lol. Also Hails is just being Hails, I never said Rolling Smash is for catching in the thread, and yet he's going crazy about it for no reason lul. I explained in my previous post. You said "LK has better catches". I told why he doesn't. Also your willing to use rolling smash for zoning but you think doing a Scorpion is a waste of mp?
HUURRRR DURRRP
Rolling Smash doesn't lag and actually works Your point is now moot once again, HurrHurrHails. To bad you can see it coming from a mile away. Chances are its not gunna hit someone unless theyre just sitting still.
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:13:18 AM
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Because Im awesome like that.
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By Hails - 12/8/2011 8:08:34 AM
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Eve when DOESN'T elsword have difficulty fighting ranged characters huh?
As for me looking down on LK and RS, I'm just being realistic. Besides as you can clearly see I'm not the only one who thinks this.RS - Runes, Stoic LK - Stoic, Rolling Smash for Zoning, SandstormAnd going by that logic, you should be looking down on SHK as well then lol. Also I don't really see anything else who thinks that here. Hails is already on your case about rolling smash, and who the hell is dumb enough to use 200 mp to catch someone? It was never purely for catching, not to mention Sandstorm's damage is pretty hax as well lol. Also Hails is just being Hails, I never said Rolling Smash is for catching in the thread, and yet he's going crazy about it for no reason lul. I explained in my previous post. You said "LK has better catches". I told why he doesn't. Also your willing to use rolling smash for zoning but you think doing a Scorpion is a waste of mp?
HUURRRR DURRRP
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By Aliza - 12/8/2011 8:05:15 AM
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I find it funny that my post on the 5th page was completely ignored. Questioning how Sheath Knights are randomly tearing 30 MP away from their opponents.
Also, what does Sheath Knight's Cruel Slayer passive do? No mention about it, and the wiki's page is blank on this skill.
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By Aliza - 12/8/2011 8:30:41 AM
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Okay I got my answer on Cruel Slayer, from the ElswordHQ's Chatango.
Anyway, at level 5, 5% chance of each hit -30 MP.
Yeah...MR + CS = gg if you're unlucky. Forget mana breaking. Now all that ShK has to do is catch...
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I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.INB4hefailswithitonpurpose lol just kidding I'm still making a Sheath Knight simply because of how much better he puts WAI OF THA SWORD to use. SHK is fun as hell to play as in PvE though <3333 You know how annoying harsh chaser would be in teams? LOL I GOT SOMEONE IN A COMBOR! -gets scorpianed from miles away- FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I really hope he doesn't give alot of mp to his enemys as he's comboing them. Like if they're at 0mp and they still mana break before you get a full combo on them.
Cruel Slayer. Add some luck in there.
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By Aliza - 12/8/2011 8:18:46 AM
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This argument was completely pointless, Eve. One more derailing on this thread.
Also:
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I find it funny that my post on the 6th* page was completely ignored. Questioning how Sheath Knights are randomly tearing 30 MP away from their opponents.
Also, what does Sheath Knight's Cruel Slayer passive do? No mention about it, and the Elwiki's page is blank on this skill.
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By Aliza - 12/8/2011 11:11:48 AM
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We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<We don't even have Fieta finished, Hamel, 200 mps for 2nd Job, Or CHUNG. We are far for sheath knight. lul Depends on what KC updates in the next two months or so. December is already occupied by Eve and her 2nds, so January will be X-5 and X-6, maybe throw in 200 MP/locked passive. Then comes February...and this month...I'm not sure. Either Secrets, Henir, or Hamel + Chung (but likely we get Hamel + Chung over all others). Only thing that muddles me is that Chung's 3rd subclass will be released in January. It would be much better to pull in all of Chung's subclasses with his release rather than just FG and SG. Ofc that would mean we get Sheath Knight + WotS in February if that was the case - Chung gets the delay hammer slammed into him.
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By DoriKatana - 12/8/2011 6:57:59 PM
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We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<We don't even have Fieta finished, Hamel, 200 mps for 2nd Job, Or CHUNG. We are far for sheath knight. lul We can skip those for now.  NEVER! I need to make the delicious trap that is Chung! Also... While SKn looks awesome, I keep thinking that his moves could have split to LK and RS. Specifically those flying magic swords move for RS. I always imagined MK>RS would get some sort of magic swords that he would launch at opponent or even have them flying around for comboing xc *mains RS and is salty* DIDNT U HEAR? SHK IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUMMON 100 SWORDS AT 2nd JOB /sarcasm.
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By Bernkastel - 12/8/2011 10:40:46 AM
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We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<We don't even have Fieta finished, Hamel, 200 mps for 2nd Job, Or CHUNG. We are far for sheath knight. lul
We can skip those for now.
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By Bernkastel - 12/8/2011 8:22:44 AM
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I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.
INB4hefailswithitonpurpose
lol just kidding
I'm still making a Sheath Knight simply because of how much better he puts WAI OF THA SWORD to use.
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By Bernkastel - 12/8/2011 8:27:50 AM
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I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.INB4hefailswithitonpurpose lol just kidding I'm still making a Sheath Knight simply because of how much better he puts WAI OF THA SWORD to use. SHK is fun as hell to play as in PvE though <3333
You know how annoying harsh chaser would be in teams? LOL I GOT SOMEONE IN A COMBOR! -gets scorpioned from miles away-
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I really hope he doesn't give alot of mp to his enemys as he's comboing them. Like if they're at 0mp and they still mana break before you get a full combo on them.
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By Bernkastel - 12/8/2011 8:32:45 AM
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Aliza (12/8/2011)
Okay I got my answer on Cruel Slayer, from the ElswordHQ's Chatango. Anyway, at level 5, 5% chance of each hit -30 MP. Yeah...MR + CS = gg if you're unlucky. Forget mana breaking. Now all that ShK has to do is catch... Bernkastel (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
Bernkastel (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.INB4hefailswithitonpurpose lol just kidding I'm still making a Sheath Knight simply because of how much better he puts WAI OF THA SWORD to use. SHK is fun as hell to play as in PvE though <3333 You know how annoying harsh chaser would be in teams? LOL I GOT SOMEONE IN A COMBOR! -gets scorpianed from miles away- FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I really hope he doesn't give alot of mp to his enemys as he's comboing them. Like if they're at 0mp and they still mana break before you get a full combo on them. Cruel Slayer. Add some luck in there.
holy ♥♥♥♥.
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By Bernkastel - 12/8/2011 8:38:12 AM
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Forget a 3DS, i want Condom Knight for christmas. Pl0X Kay oh gee and KILL3RCOMBO O3O
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By Bernkastel - 12/8/2011 9:17:50 AM
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wawforever (12/8/2011)
WotS and Shk at the same time?
This.
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By Bernkastel - 12/8/2011 8:13:59 AM
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I was afraid harsh chaser would be lag sensitive. Lag effects mostly everyone anyway so you just gotta hope you don't get a laggy match ( LOL NOT LIKELY )
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By Kalas - 12/8/2011 8:15:01 AM
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Eve just wat are u talking about? I would rather waste 30mp using harsh chaser in lag then use LK iron body 50mp to catch in lag >.> Really, almost every catching skill LK,RS,SHK sux in lag, so ur argument fails.
And have u ever tried catching with rolling smash in lag? lol thats pure fail. Especially against rena and aishas bounce.
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By Kalas - 12/8/2011 8:18:20 AM
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Eve (12/8/2011)
Kalas (12/8/2011)
Eve just wat are u talking about? I would rather waste 30mp using harsh chaser in lag then use LK iron body 50mp to catch in lag >.> Really, almost every catching skill LK,RS,SHK sux in lag, so ur argument fails.Do you even know how lag-sensitive Harsh Chaser is?
XD good point, ima get that skill soon then ill come back to ya >D
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By WarmedMilk - 12/8/2011 10:45:33 AM
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Bernkastel (12/8/2011)
Warmedmilkman (12/8/2011)
BubblyBoar (12/8/2011)
We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<We don't even have Fieta finished, Hamel, 200 mps for 2nd Job, Or CHUNG. We are far for sheath knight. lul We can skip those for now.
You wish.
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By WarmedMilk - 12/8/2011 10:37:42 AM
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BubblyBoar (12/8/2011)
We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<
We don't even have Fieta finished, Hamel, 200 mps for 2nd Job, Or CHUNG. We are far for sheath knight. lul
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By Asian - 12/8/2011 8:24:45 AM
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Bernkastel (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
I'm starting to think of making a video of HC's lag just to show how much it fails.INB4hefailswithitonpurpose lol just kidding I'm still making a Sheath Knight simply because of how much better he puts WAI OF THA SWORD to use.
ShK makes better use of vitality aura but he wastes destruction aura so fast lol.
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By Asian - 12/8/2011 8:22:31 AM
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Hails (12/8/2011)
Eve (12/8/2011)
Aliza (12/8/2011)
This argument was completely pointless, Eve. One more derailing on this thread. Also: Aliza (12/8/2011)
I find it funny that my post on the 6th* page was completely ignored. Questioning how Sheath Knights are randomly tearing 30 MP away from their opponents.
Also, what does Sheath Knight's Cruel Slayer passive do? No mention about it, and the Elwiki's page is blank on this skill. Can you link me to where you saw this? Lol.
I think he was just seeing Dark Enchants.
or the person tried to use a active mid combo but got it cancelled or something.
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By Asian - 12/8/2011 8:20:27 AM
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I wouldn't say that its lag sensitive I would say that it depends more on the distancing and slopes.
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By wawforever - 12/8/2011 10:15:51 AM
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VTKajin (12/8/2011)
I just wanna nom on TK's face :xY u call him TK
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By wawforever - 12/8/2011 9:14:17 AM
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WotS and Shk at the same time?
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By 2nafish - 9/14/2012 3:02:26 AM
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Nekuox (9/14/2012)
When will Sheath Knight be Released in EU? 
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By Gvuz06 - 12/8/2011 10:18:09 PM
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DoriKatana (12/9/2011)
Gvuz06 (12/9/2011)
Bernkastel (12/8/2011)
Warmedmilkman (12/8/2011)
BubblyBoar (12/8/2011)
We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<We don't even have Fieta finished, Hamel, 200 mps for 2nd Job, Or CHUNG. We are far for sheath knight. lul We can skip those for now. NEVER! I need to make the delicious trap that is Chung! Also... While SKn looks awesome, I keep thinking that his moves could have split to LK and RS. Specifically those flying magic swords move for RS. I always imagined MK>RS would get some sort of magic swords that he would launch at opponent or even have them flying around for comboing xc *mains RS and is salty* DIDNT U HEAR? SHK IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUMMON 100 SWORDS AT 2nd JOB /sarcasm. Just a 100? What a failure u,u
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By Gvuz06 - 12/8/2011 5:48:46 PM
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Bernkastel (12/8/2011)
Warmedmilkman (12/8/2011)
BubblyBoar (12/8/2011)
We'd need WotS before we get condom knight...so...<.<We don't even have Fieta finished, Hamel, 200 mps for 2nd Job, Or CHUNG. We are far for sheath knight. lul We can skip those for now.
NEVER! I need to make the delicious trap that is Chung!
Also... While SKn looks awesome, I keep thinking that his moves could have split to LK and RS. Specifically those flying magic swords move for RS. I always imagined MK>RS would get some sort of magic swords that he would launch at opponent or even have them flying around for comboing xc *mains RS and is salty*
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By Hikari - 12/8/2011 11:23:30 AM
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no, we will get only FG and SG, and those will come with hamel about march, feb will be for secrets and henir, unless they come out with x-5 and x-6 on january, then there is wots and anger which may be april or may... anyway dont get your hopes up about chung 3rd, he may well be released after all the others 3rds they should just go on and update everything in just one week lol
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By Hikari - 12/8/2011 9:57:57 AM
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KaynetheSlayer (12/8/2011)
Because of this review I think I got my Pure PVE build set.
Level 1: Mega Slash 1, Roll 1
Level 2: Roll 2, Roll 3
Level 3: Basic Physical Defense Training 1, Fatal Fury 1
Level 4: Fatal Fury 2, Fatal Fury 3
Level 5: Fatal Fury 4, Fatal Fury 5
Level 6: Flame Geyser 1, Flame Geyser 2
Level 7: Flame Geyser 3, Flame Geyser 4
Level 8: Flame Geyser 5, Basic Physical Defense Training 2
Level 9: Basic Physical Defense Training 3, Basic Physical Defense Training 4
Level 10: Basic Physical Defense Training 5, Basic Strength Training 1
Level 11: Assault Slash 1, Assault Slash 2
Level 12: Assault Slash 3, Assault Slash 4
Level 13: Assault Slash 5, Power Accelerator 1
Level 14: Power Accelerator 2, Power Accelerator 3
Level 15: Basic Strength Training 2, Basic Strength Training 3
Level 16: Triple Geyser 1, Triple Geyser 2
Level 17:Triple Geyser 3, Triple Geyser 4,
Level 18: Triple Geyser 5, Basic Strength Training 4
Level 19: Basic Strength Training 1, Basic Magic Defense Training 1
Level 20: Basic Magic Defense Training 2, Basic Magic Defense Training 3
Level 21: Basic Magic Defense Training 4, Basic Magic Defense Training 5
Level 22: Basic Magic Training 1, Basic Magic Training 2
Level 23: Basic Magic Training 3, Intermediate Strength Training 1
Level 24: Intermediate Strength Training 2, Intermediate Strength Training 3
Level 25: Intermediate Strength Training 4, Intermediate Strength Training 5
Level 26: Basic Magic Training 4, Basic Magic Training 5
Level 27: Crescent Cut 1, Crescent Cut 2
Level 28: Crescent Cut 3, Sagacious Counterattack 1
Level 29: Sagacious Counterattack 2, Sagacious Counterattack 3
Level 30: Sagacious Counterattack 4, Sagacious Counterattack 5
Level 31: Maelstrom Rage 1, Maelstrom Rage 2
Level 32: Maelstrom Rage 3, Maelstrom Rage 4
Level 33: Maelstrom Rage 5, Phantom Sword 1
Level 34: Phantom Sword 2, Phantom Sword 3
Level 35: Phantom Sword 4, Phantom Sword 5
Level 36: Cruel Slayer 1, Cruel Slayer 2
Level 37: Cruel Slayer 3, Cruel Slayer 4
Level 38: Cruel Slayer 5, Crescent Cut 4
Level 39: Crescent Cut 5, Free to use
Level 40 onward: Free to use
just so you review it, how will you get/use this if you dont get counter attack and counter mastery?
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By Hikari - 12/8/2011 9:41:22 AM
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so he lacks on chasing because he is lag sensitive...who cares, im gonna use him for pve anyway deleting pseudoLK(skatm)-previouslyMK in 1, 2, 3... oh wait he still isnt here... ffffffffffff we need to get chung, wots, anger and 3rds asap >_>
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By Nekuox - 9/14/2012 2:43:29 AM
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When will Sheath Knight be Released in EU?
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By MOD_Kryojenix - 9/14/2012 3:24:22 AM
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indeed a 9 month old necro. |